American Public Education [APEI] Conference call transcript for 2024 q1
2024-05-07 21:17:09
Fiscal: 2024 q1
Operator: Thank you for standing by. My name is Jamie, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the American Public Education Inc. First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks there will be a question. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. I would now like to turn the conference over to Brian Prenoveau, Investor Relations. You may begin.
Brian Prenoveau: Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to American Public Education's conference call to discuss first quarter 2024 results. Joining me on the call today are Angela Selden, President and Chief Executive Officer; Rick Sunderland, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Steve Somers, Senior Vice President and Chief Strategy and Corporate Development Officer. Materials for the call today are available in the Events & Presentations section of APEI's website. Statements made during this conference call and in any accompanying presentation regarding APEI and its subsidiaries that are not historical facts maybe forward-looking statements based on current expectations, assumptions, estimates and projections. Forward-looking statements may sometimes be identified by words such as anticipate, believe, seek, could, estimate, expect, can, may, plan, potentially, project, should, will, would and similar or opposite work. Forward-looking statements include, without limitation, statements regarding expectations for registrations and enrollments, revenue, earnings and adjusted EBITDA and other earnings guidance, repositioning Rasmussen University for growth, change in market demands and our ability to satisfy such demand and other company initiatives, including with respect to future competition and demand and cost-saving efforts. Forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such statements. These include among other risks, failure to comply with regulatory and accrediting agency requirements or to maintain institutional accreditation and any actions taken to prevent or correct such failure. And on the effectiveness of the Company's ability to attract students, who persist as institutional programs, changing market demands, declines in enrollments at the company's education units, the enactment of legislation that adversely impacts the company for its education units, inability to effectively brand or market its education units or their programs or expand into new markets, inability to maintain strong relationships with military, the loss or disruption of the ability to receive funds under tuition assistance programs for reduction, elimination, suspension or disruption of tuition assistance. Adverse effects of changes to improve the student experience and enhance the ability to identify and enroll students who are likely to succeed, loss of eligibility to participate in title four programs or ability to process title four financial aid, economic and market conditions, challenges with acquisitions, matters related to indebtedness or preferred stock, company’s technology infrastructure, inability to recognize the anticipated benefits of the company's cost savings efforts and risks described in today's presentation, in today's press release APEI's Form 10 K for 2023 and other SEC filings. The company undertakes no obligation to update publicly any forward-looking statement for any reason unless required by law. This presentation contains references to non-GAAP financial information. A reconciliation between the non-GAAP financial measures we use and the most directly comparable GAAP measures is located in the appendix to today's presentation and in the earnings release. Management believes that the presentation of non-GAAP financial information provides useful supplemental information to investors regarding its results of operations and should only be considered in addition to and not as a substitute for or superior to any measure of financial performance prepared in accordance with GAAP. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to APEI's CEO, Angela Selden. Please go ahead.
Angela Selden: Thank you, Brian, and good afternoon and thank you for joining American Public Education's first quarter 2024 earnings call. With the release of our first quarter results, this is now the fifth consecutive quarter where we have exceeded our adjusted EBITDA guidance and expectations. By delivering results from the hard work of the Rasmussen turnaround, we have put Rasmussen back on a trajectory for growth and positive EBITDA. This has included a strong focus on improving student retention, preparing students for success on NCLEX exams and enrolling a more balanced mix of campus-based nursing and health education programs, while reducing our concentration in the ADN program. At the same time, at both APUS and Hondros we have delivered continued student enrollment growth and margin expansion. Overall in this past year, by addressing the operational challenges at Rasmussen and rightsizing the cost structure across APEI, we have positioned APEI for long-term growth, driven by strong education units and an enterprise with strong financial standing. Let me share some highlights from the quarter. APEI's first quarter 2024 revenue was $154 million, representing a 3% increase when compared to 1Q 2023 and ahead of the guidance range. We saw a significant improvement in overall adjusted EBITDA, which totaled $17.1 million in the first quarter of 2024 representing a 143% increase, over 1Q 20s23. And notably, the adjusted EBITDA for this quarter was roughly $7 million or 71% above the top end of our guidance range. Adjusted EBITDA margin expanded by 600 basis points in 1Q 2024 to 11%, compared to 5% in 1Q 2023. Collectively, margin improvements are being driven by a combination of Optimize marketing, improved retention and modest pricing actions and cost control initiatives implemented in 2023 including, staffing realignments and reductions. With our strong first quarter outperformance, we are increasing our full year 2024 guidance for revenue and adjusted EBITDA with Rick Sunderland, APEI's Chief Financial Officer will detail in his comments shortly. With that context, I'd now like to spend some time sharing the progress of our education units, starting with our core online military and veterans segment APUS. In 1Q 2024, overall net course registrations increased 3% year-over-year to 99,000 registrations. The most in eight years, reflecting the strong reputation upon which we continue to build and the compelling value proposition we offer. Active-duty invention registrations delivered continued momentum with year-over-year growth, partially offset by lower non-military registrations. The overall increase in registrations in the quarter combined with the impact of tuition and fee increases in 2023, resulted in a 9% increase in revenue at APUS. This solid revenue performance, coupled with cost containment and lower marketing spend drove very strong bottom-line results for APUS, with EBITDA increasing 31% to $24.3 million, as compared with $18.5 million in 1Q 2023. EBITDA margin was 30% in the quarter, compared with 25% in the prior year period. On a student success note, this week, at its 28th Annual commencement APUS will celebrate its over 16,700 Graduates and Associates, Bachelor's and Master's Degree. Turning to Rasmussen, I am very pleased with the progress we have made and continue to make with it stabilization and turnaround. First quarter enrollments which we shared in our last earnings call were 13,500 which was a 6% decrease from a year earlier. Today we are sharing Second Quarter 2024 enrollments, which continue that improving trend with 13,600 students down just 2% from a year ago. This is now the fourth quarter in a row, where total enrollment trends have continued to improve year-over-year. For the second quarter, Rasmussen online enrollments increased 4% while campus-based nursing and health education enrollments declined by 9%. As has been the case for the last several quarters, the overall decline in enrollments has been driven predominantly by Rasmussen campus-based ADN program. But those declines are moderating and we are increasingly offsetting some of those declines with growth in our BSN and other campus-based health education programs, moving closer to our goal of having a much more balanced portfolio of nursing and campus-based health education offerings Over time the increase in BSN enrollments should also lead to higher average lifetime value per student because of the longer length of this program soon. And as we move into positive enrollment territory for campus enrollments, the highly leveraged nature of the campus base business should lead to improved profitability. In terms of student outcomes, we again produced strong and collect pass rates in the first quarter where 20 of 24 programs at Rasmussen met the required threshold. Worth noting is that two of the four programs that did not meet the threshold had very low numbers of test takers this quarter and which we think will move into passing territory as more students sit for the exam. While past rates are only officially evaluated by state nursing boards annually, we track progress quarterly. We are pleased that this is the third quarter in a row where the vast majority of our programs are meeting the state standards. Overall at Rasmussen, we continue to expect to achieve positive enrollment growth at some point in the second half of 2024 and a return to positive EBITDA resulting in stronger financial footing for the University exiting 2024 and into future years. Turning our attention to Hondros. As reported 1Q 24 enrollment remained strong, showing a 22% increase when compared to 1Q 2023. We also saw growth continue in 2Q 2024 with enrollment increasing another 10% year over year to 3,300 students which we view as particularly encouraging given the comparison to a very strong enrollment quarter in 2Q 2023. Demand remains strong for its PN and ADN nursing programs with the new Detroit campus performing very well. Legacy campuses also contributed to growth including Indianapolis where we still operate with enrollment caps as a new program despite exceptional and collect pass rates. Starts at Hondros remain robust and we remain very pleased with the growth that we are seeing. Also in 3Q, Hondros will be relocating two of its Ohio campus locations and expect some temporary but limited impact to enrollment in those locations. As for end class pass rates all programs at all Hondros campuses met the 1Q 204 state benchmarks. Overall at APEI, our financial results continue to show significant improvement and in particular our return to adjusted EBITDA growth which has exceeded our guidance now for the last five quarters. With the stabilization of enrollment and continued improvement in EBITDA at Rasmussen coupled with strong top and bottom line performance at APUS and Hondros, we are now delivering positive growth in revenue, adjusted EBITDA and margins across APEI. In summary we are confident in our strong position to provide online and campus-based postsecondary education and career learning opportunities to large and growing addressable markets. The improvements we have implemented and the return of momentum we have delivered have very energized leadership faculty and staff across the enterprise. We believe we are in a strong position to achieve long-term success both operationally and financially and as always guided by our vision mission and values that reward our students, employees and stakeholders. With that let me turn the call over to APEI CFO, Rick Sunderland.
Rick Sunderland: Thank you, Angela. Total revenue in the first quarter was $154.4 million up $4.7 million or 3.2% from the prior period and exceeded our first quarter guidance. First quarter revenue growth was driven by increased revenue at APUS and Hondros partially offset by revenue declines at Rasmussen and graduate school. Total cost of expenses in the first quarter decreased 3.7% compared to the first quarter of 2023 and include a $2.9 million loss on leases at Rasmussen. This period-over-period reduction was primarily driven by lower selling and promotional costs in the first quarter as compared to the prior year. For the quarter, advertising and marketing support costs decreased $6.6 million. Prior year selling and promotional costs include $2.4 million in marketing transition service fees related to the termination of the Collegiate marketing contract at Rasmussen. Depreciation and amortization expenses decreased year-over-year due to the full amortization of Rasmussen, definite live intangible assets in 2023. These decreases were partially offset by higher general and administrative costs. Current quarter, general and administrative costs include $1.9 million in information technology transition service costs added back to adjusted EBITDA. Excluding information, technology transition service costs, general and administrative expenses increased less than 3% as compared to the prior year period. First quarter diluted loss per common share was a loss of $0.06 compared to a loss of $0.38 in the prior quarter and again exceeded first quarter guidance. For the quarter, adjusted EBITDA was $17.1 million compared to $7 million in the prior year period. The first quarter results exceeded guidance and represented an adjusted EBITDA margin of 11% compared to 4.7% in the prior year quarter, reflecting the revenue growth and lower operating expenses. We exceeded first quarter guidance primarily due to actual expenses being lower than forecasted as follows: compensation and benefits costs lower by $2 million. Advertising costs at $1 million lower than forecast and $3 million of lower information technology and other general and administrative costs. At APUS, first quarter revenue increased 9% as compared to the prior year to $80.7 million due to a nearly 3% increase in net course registrations and roughly 6% due to tuition and fee increases implemented in the second and third quarters of last year. For the quarter, net course registrations increased 2.8% despite lower advertising and marketing support costs compared to the prior year quarter. In total, EBITDA margin at APUS increased 5% to 30% for the quarter. The increase in margin is primarily due to increased revenue and lower advertising and marketing support costs. At Rasmussen, first quarter revenue was $53.1 million, a decrease of 7.5% compared to the prior year due to lower average enrollment during the quarter, partially offset by tuition increases in the first quarter of 2023 and 2024. As Angie mentioned, the year-over-year enrollment decreases have narrowed for the past four quarters. We continue on our path to show positive enrollment trends in late 2024. We again saw improvement in Rasmussen's EBITDA loss for the quarter after adjusting for last year's marketing transition costs and this year's lease termination expense. First quarter Rasmussen's EBITDA loss was -- was a loss of $2.6 million compared to an EBITDA loss in the prior year period of $4.5 million, an approximate 40% improvement year-over-year. The first quarter EBITDA loss improvement was driven by lower advertising costs and marketing support costs as well as labor savings from the 2023 cost realignment. At Hondros, first quarter revenue was $16.4 million, up 25% as compared to the prior year period due to continued growth in enrollment and the 2023 tuition increase. For the quarter, Hondros total enrollment grew 22% to approximately 3,300 students, the second consecutive record-setting quarter for enrollments. The increased revenue combined with effective cost management delivered positive EBITDA of $300,000 for the first quarter compared to an EBITDA loss of $1 million in the prior year period. Revenue at Graduate School, included in Corporate and Other was $4.3 million compared to $5.2 million in the prior year period primarily due to lower enrollments in the quarter and did a slower start to the year, in part caused by delays in approval of the US federal budget. At March 31, 2024, total cash, cash equivalents and restricted cash was $153.2 million, an increase of $8.9 million from year end 2023. For the first quarter of 2024, cash flow from operations was $20.7 million, an increase of $8 million or 63% as compared to the prior year. CapEx for the quarter was $6.2 million. Free cash flow defined as adjusted EBITDA, less CapEx was $10.8 million compared to $3.8 million a year ago. Principal on API.s term loan at March 31 is unchanged from year end at $99 million, with unrestricted cash of $125 million. API continues to be net cash positive. Additionally, there are no borrowings under API's $20 million revolving credit facility which remains fully available. During the quarter, we repurchased 251000 shares of common stock for an aggregate purchase price of 2.8 million. Turning now to the second quarter 2024 outlook. APUS total net course registrations are expected to be between 89500 to 92200 registrations, an increase of between plus 1.5% and plus 4.5% over the prior year period. At Rasmussen and Hondros second quarter student enrollments are actual because of the quarterly starts at these schools. At Rasmussen, second quarter total on-ground healthcare enrollment decreased 9% to approximately 6200 students, while total online student enrollment increased 4% year-over-year to approximately 7400 students for an aggregate enrollment of 13600 students, which is a 2% decrease when compared to the second quarter of 2023. At Hondros, second quarter total student enrollment increased 10% year-over-year to approximately 3300 students, the highest enrollment ever at Hondros. In the second quarter of 2024, consolidated revenue is expected to be between $153 million to $155 million. The company expects net loss to common shareholders to be between a loss of $2 million, an income of 800000 or between a loss of $0.11 and positive $0.05 per diluted share. Adjusted EBITDA is expected to be between $8 million and $12 million for the second quarter of 2024. For the full year 2024, as Andy shared, we anticipate consolidated full year 2024 revenue in a range of $620 million to $630 million. We are also increasing our adjusted EBITDA guidance and now expected to range between $60 million to $70 million for the full year 2024. Our CapEx estimate of between $17 million and $20 million for the year is unchanged. With that operator we would like to open the line for questions.
Operator: Thank you. The floor is now open for questions. [Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Jasper Bibb with Truist Securities. Please go ahead.
Jasper Bibb: Hey, good afternoon. With the goal to get Rasmussen back to total enrollment growth in the back half of the year, how should we think about what that would mean for segment EBITDA margins there if you're successful?
Rick Sunderland: Hey, Jasper, it's Rick. As we've said, the fixed cost nature of the campus based business would have high accretion with increases in those enrollments, right. And I think we've previously said, we expect Ras to get to breakeven EBITDA by the end of the year until you see reaching breakeven enrollment, increasing enrollment should result in, will result in breakeven or positive EBITDA.
Jasper Bibb: Thanks. That makes sense. And then it seems like a good pickup in revenue per student APUS this quarter. Can you just outline the drivers of that, whether it was pricing increases, mix and any expectations on revenue pursuing over the balance of the year?
Rick Sunderland: It's both. Mix and modest tuition increases, Jasper. There is also an impact on, if you just do a straight calculation of revenue per student of the timing of the start, at APUS that monthly started the first Monday of each month. And so is that -- it may be earlier in the month with a -- with a 1st of the month start. You're going to see a little bit higher revenue per student and if that start is pushed off to the 7th of the month, right. So whatever the date -- the first day of the month is. So it's a combination of mix price increases as well as just the simple timing of those monthly starts.
Jasper Bibb: That's helpful. And last question for me. I wanted to dig a bit more into the floor the Rasmussen programs that were put on probation in March. Could you outline for us, I guess first of all, if that creates any restrictions on your ability to enroll new students at those campuses? And just what you're doing kind of in response to that?
Angela Selden: Hi Jasper. It's Angie. Thanks for the question. And you know that we've been paying careful attention over the last and your point around our quarterly NCLEX pass rates, because we want to show quarter-over-quarter improvement. What's interesting about those two campuses and frankly is true of all of our campuses in Florida is that if you were to exclude Q1 of 2023 from the calculation for all of 2023, so doing 2Q through 4Q our -- each of our Florida campuses was significantly pass. And so while modeling, we recognize that's not how the state does the calculation. But with the reason why I'm pointing this out, is because, we saw a significant number of laggard test takers, taking the exam in 1Q 2023, because there were concerns about what the next-gen and NCLEX exam would bring. And those folks hadn't been educated under a next-gen curriculum. And so we saw a significant number of lift beyond 45 day test takers in Q1. And we do not see the results of that continuing into Q2 through Q4 of 2023 nor in Q1 of 2024. So -- and just to put a finer point on one of those two campuses Fort Myers actually missed the Florida benchmarks for the year, by less than eight points. And in particular Ocala missed the benchmark by 0.3%. So we do not have any limits on our ability to enroll students in those programs. And we are very bullish about the continued improvements that we expect in our full year 2024 NCLEX pass rates in Florida.
Jasper Bibb: So, a very helpful context. Thank you.
Angela Selden: Thank you.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] And your next question comes from the line of Alex Paris with Barrington. Please go ahead.
Alex Paris: Hey guys. Thanks for taking my question and congratulations on the beaten raise. I thought, maybe I would dig a little bit into critical investments planned for 2024. You've sort of telegraphed that that would be the case. You have a higher CapEx expectation for the full year. I'm just wondering if you can review for us what are the relative or what are the investments per institution Rasmussen, APUS, Hondros? And how are they coming along? And are they front-end loaded or back-end loaded or evenly spread?
Angela Selden: Hi Alex, it's Angie. I'll start and then I'll ask Rick to follow along, if I've missed anything. Let's start with Hondros, because there are some important things happening there. We -- as I mentioned in my comments, we have two campus moves happening at Hondros beginning in the third quarter of 2024. Those are critical. When we bought Hondros over 10 years ago, along with the purchase came, 10-year leases with some premium lease payments to the previous owner of Hondros. Those leases are expiring. And we are finding ourselves presented with a great opportunity to locate to a more favorable location and at lower lease costs. So while we may see some very short-term overlap in an expenditure or a modest disruption in enrollment, as a result of the move we've already seen from most of other campuses at Hondros really meaningful improvements state and being the most notable in 2024 where we see meaningful improvement in enrollment and margin expansion after that campus. The second thing that we're investing in at Hondros is the MA program. We've talked about this in prior quarters and that program is launching in Ohio in Q3, and we look forward to sharing more results about that program as we have this call, upcoming in the next quarter. Turning our attention to APUS. There are investments that we had signaled in the prior quarter that we will continue to invest in throughout the rest of 2024 around modernizing the curriculum. There is a focus on both refreshing the content in some of our core programs, and at the same time looking for ways to incorporate a more digital forward content and focus into the curriculum at APUS. So we're very excited about how that will help us attract different student segments into APUS in future quarters. Those are really the primary investment areas for the time being. Rick, unless I've missed anything that you would want to share
Rick Sunderland: Yes, I would just say in terms of timing, Alex, it's more weighted to 1H and 2H. A lot of the CapEx is in the campus investments as Angie just described. And with the moves being completed early in the third quarter, we're going to see that a disproportionate level of investment in 1H. The other the other large investment is in information technology. We've talked in the past and you can see in the Q about the various moves that are being made related to IT infrastructure. We're going to be insourcing colleges and then various parts of the IT operations are being outsourced. So there is a significant investment that's going on related to technology infrastructure associated with the various phases of that project. So, more heavily weighted to 1H, Alex, than 2H.
Alex Paris: Good. Super helpful. And then the question is, is CapEx sort of peaking this year or do you expect a similar level going forward?
Rick Sunderland: Well, certainly with the campuses -- we're not going to be moving campuses every year. We do -- so you're going to see probably a moderation because of that. And then, on the technology side probably similarly, you can see and I think you commented, Alex, up year-over-year. Last year, 2023 was probably a little bit lower than normal simply because of the financial performance of both Rasmussen and Hondros. So we probably pulled back on some of our capital investments. We're catching up this year in some ways. We're investing in new campuses, which is really important. So I would say, you'd see some moderation off of this year's number as you go forward.
Angela Selden: The one additional thing I would share as we look into the end of 2024 and into 2025 is that, upon acceptance of the 2023 financial results for APEI, Rasmussen will no longer be subject to growth restrictions. And so consequently, we will have the opportunity to look at opening campuses and investing in programs at Rasmussen. And so that could be a place where we decide to invest into future growth at Rasm.
Alex Paris: Great. That makes sense. And then I guess this last little of the cats and dogs. Femsa [ph], obviously, the delays there, the bigness that's going on. You don't have the traditional 18 to 22-year old. You don't have the traditional semesters usually, I mean there maybe exceptions there. What do you think your exposure is to faster
Rick Sunderland: Alex, to date, this is Rick. It really hasn't been much of a headwind, particularly in APUS with their monthly starts, there's probably a minimal impact at Hondros and RAS, which have, to your point, a more traditional kind of quarterly cadence but really, at this point, Alex, it hasn't been a significant matter at any of those schools.
Q – Alex Paris: Good. That's helpful. I'll get back in the queue. Thanks guys.
Angela Selden: Thank you.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Raj Sharma with B. Riley. Please go ahead.
Q – Raj Sharma: Thank you for taking the questions. Again, congratulations for really good results and the beat and raise. I wanted to kind of touch upon again Rasmussen and there were certain changes that were put in place. There was a new management that was integrated into the operations and enrollments were an issue. Would you characterize Rasmussen as under control in terms of enrollment? And then can you give some color on the cost control at Rasmussen?
Angela Selden: Sure. I'll start, Rick, and then certainly weigh in here for me. Nice day here for me Raj. So yes, the management team has now been in place for a year. First and foremost, there is clarity around the campus program combinations for all of our campus-based programs and the marketing investments that we're making to grow and re-weight the mix so that we are growing both nursing and non-nursing on the campuses. So that has been a key focus for that management team, and the results are certainly paying off as you could see they continued improvement in the trends that we've seen on the campus-based enrollments. Certainly, online has seen significant improvement, and we've got positive online enrollment for this quarter, and that trend has continued for the last several quarters. So the -- the marketing is aligned now with our growth areas, and that has been a significant amount of work in partnership between the Rasmussen management team and the API marketing team. And so both are pleased with the progress that we've made there. As it relates to the cost structure, there was a significant amount of rightsizing of costs, both at Rasmussen in the third and fourth quarter of last year as well as at APEI related to some of the services, particularly in IT and in marketing that were being provided to Rasmussen. One of the most notable is the relationship, the IT relationship with the third-party outsourcer, colleges. We are in the final stages of migrating that IT infrastructure from the third-party to APEI and its providers. And that will lead to a significant margin expansion for Rasmussen in -- beginning in the fourth quarter of 2024. And certainly, we'll see the benefit of that for the entire year of 2025.
Rick Sunderland: Yes. [indiscernible] Yes just – Hey Raj, just to add a few things. S&P in total is down $7.5 million almost $6 million of that is at Abras [ph]. The other $2.4 million Collegiate that didn't repeat, but marketing costs, advertising, marketing support are down almost another $2 million. So we have to thank the marketing team for optimizing while delivering on what we consider favorable enrollment trends at Rasmussen. To Angie's point, just across the board, good cost control by the entire management team. So we applaud that and particularly in the area of labor, probably leveraging off of some of the rightsizing that was done last year, but also continuing that cost focus. And one of my favorite terms is trim while investing. So they are actually investing in areas like admissions staff which is important to drive up the enrollment trends so it's not all about reducing. It's also about investing where it makes sense to deliver the results that we expect to be seeing later this year and beyond.
Angela Selden: I'll just do one shout out to the academic team who has been focused on with the admissions enrollment team on retention. There's been a significant improvement in particular first term and second term retention in that partnership between those two teams ended. As you know if you don't have to source a new student to backfill for that revenue you keep the students that you have and allow them to persist and graduate everybody wins. And so that has been a significant effort and there's been meaningful improvement in retention of Rasmussen a result.
Raj Sharma: Got it. That's really helpful. And then on the enrollment side on Rasmussen I see really improving. You can even see the improving enrollment trends. Would you say we are close to a bottom?
Angela Selden: As we have signaled now for a few quarters Raj we do believe that we will in the back half of 2024 enrollment trends turn positive. So, yes.
Raj Sharma: Got it. Right. Got it. That's very helpful. And then on the AR collection side are we all kind of current on the front with respect to the Army?
Rick Sunderland: Raj there remains an amount that is hung up in what I'll call the GoArmyEd transition. So that's quite all of it's not a significant amount of money. We continue to work directly with the relevant parties at the Army to clean that up. So there is an amount small compared to the total that is beyond that. It's call it 60 days 90 days from start which is how we measure our effectiveness from a collection side. The system is functioning as designed at this point billing monthly collecting monthly. And so it's really just the tail dollars associated with that.
Angela Selden: And those amounts carried from 2021 and 2022. They're not amounts getting generated now, right?
Rick Sunderland: No, no. We're collecting at the current -- billings which is reflective of the system working but there is still some cleanup to do and we're diligently working to clean those up with the Army right there still engaged directly with the relevant parties that army that collect those older amounts.
Raj Sharma: That's great color. Thank you. And just lastly on grad school I know it's a much smaller business and any sort of color on why the margins were slightly worse year-on-year due to a reduction in revenues any sort of plans or and just some color?
Angela Selden: Sure. So grad school as we reported I think in our last earnings call had been affected by the government's continuing resolution or the fact that the budget had not been passed in many of the agencies who use there government funding for training dollars had to pause their training. We are now that we're out from underneath that and there is a renewed focus from that team on both individual registrations by individual federal workers as well as group training that is now getting scheduled. So there is a significant push to close that gap between now and the end of the year. And the entire both graduate school and API team are leaning in to do what we can do to close that gap in revenue for the remainder of the year.
Raj Sharma: Great. Thank you. Thank you for answering my questions. Again congratulations on raising the guidance and the beat rate. I'll take it offline. Thank you.
Angela Selden: Thank you very much, Raj.
Rick Sunderland: Thanks, Raj.
Operator: There are no further questions at this time. Thank you everyone for your participation. This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.
